
 This is the chatcapture between The Knight and The Grim Reaper (or Ripper)
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 The first part is the dutch version, that was edited a little in order to
 be readable (we all know how messed up Terminate-captures can get)

 The second part is a roughly (but the facts are the same) translated version
 of the chat-session into english. Sorry if not everything is correctly 
 spelled, I'm not a polyglot you know .

 explanation  
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        tgr = The Grim Reaper/BSE (!president!) ex-FUEL, ex-TRILOXY 
              ex-WHO-KNOWS-WHAT-ELSE!

        tk  = The KNiGHT/FUEL


LOGCHAT MODE

tgr: Yo!
tk : ehm.. er is een klein groot probje... nogal zeer groot...
tgr: ja..
tk : GIJ ZIJT NE RIPPER !!
tgr: Hoezo..
tk : dezelfde ansis die gij "zogezegd" voor FUEL maakte staan op een SHAREWARE 
     CD en zijn in feite door ACID gemaakt
tgr: Beuh..weet ik niet..ik heb geen cd's met ansi's erop.
tk : nee, maybe, maar wel ANSIS van ACID die ge voor de uwe doet doorgaan en 
     UWE naam onderzet da is EEN SCHANDE.

(long break, tgr was speechless)

tk : ik wacht...
tgr: Op?
tk : op een verklaring, of is zwijgen toestemmen bij u ?
tgr: nee...ik zeg gewoon niets...ik heb die tekeningen geprint en dan 
     overgetekend maar ik heb ze wel helemaal overgetekend.
tk : wat bedoelt ge daarmee ?
tgr: Wel ik print die uit en dan teken ik die
tk : we hebben de bewijzen, dus ehm, als die ansis 100 percent op elkaar 
     trekken, dan zijt gij ne leugenaar.
tgr: Tja ge doet maar he.
tk : ja, ehm, ik zou ook maar niet te veel meer over FUEL zeggen, en member 
     zijt ge al helemaal niet meer. Ik hoop dat de BSE trouwens vlug ne andere 
     Prez heeft... want dit slaat wel ECHT alles... nu begrijp ik waarom uwe 
     HEADER zo lame was... ge kunt gewoon geen ansis tekenen volgens mij...
tgr: Allez dan he...als gij het zegt..
tk : kijk, ik geef u de kans om u te verdedigen, en me tegen te spreken, maar 
     dat doet ge niet... dus ik neem aan dat alles klopt wat ik zeg ?
tgr: Waarom zou ik tegenspreken ge zijt er toch van overtuigd dat ik niet kan 
     tekenen dus.
tk : overtuigd..? Het is nooit te laat om het tegendeel te bewijzen...
tgr: Ja awel zeg dan hoe en ik doe het he.
tk : zeg me EERLIJK of ge die ansis gewoon hebt gecopieerd van Acid....
tgr: Zoals ik zei ik heb ze overgetekend.
tk : en waarom kunt ge dan geen header maken ?
tgr: Ik kan dat zoals ik zei wel maar daan zijn die veel te groot.
tk : Kijk, ik dacht dat gij ne toffe kerel, en ne goeie artist waart (da meen 
     ik) en ik kon goed met u overweg, maar ge snapt dat RIPPEN niet kan..ik 
     snap nu ineens ook vanwaar die rumors kwamen dat FUEL ripped...
     Als ge kunt bewijzen dat ge WEL zelf ansis kunt maken, kunt ge voor mijn 
     part in blijven, maar onder nen totaal nieuwe handle...
tgr: Ja hoe kan ik u dat bewijzen als ik hier zit en gij daar ?
tk : Wel ehm, ik geef u een opdracht en gij tekent dat...
tgr: Ok.
tk : effe denken...
     teken DeeP FreeZer...Voorbeeld, ne gast die in ne gigantisch grote 
     diepvriezer zit...
tgr: Ok..ik zal dat tekenen.
tk : Goed, en begin al maar gewoon te worden dat ge met de naam TGR niet 
     meer te openbaar treedt, en zoek nen andere, want het is logisch dat er 
     VEEL reactie op zal komen....
tgr: ok
tk : ok... wanneer bel ik u terug ? (editor : om de ansi te halen die hij zou 
     gaan tekenen)
tgr: Weet ik niet volgende week ofzo.
tk : Ik hoop dat ge het kunt bewijzen, maar ik vrees ervoor. En stop met ACID
     stuff te tekenen (editor : of rippen)
     bye
Sysop CHAT ended at 00:04



LOGCHAT MODE

tgr: Yo!
tk : ehm.. there is a little big problem.... VERY BIG infact !
tgr: yes...?
tk : YOU ARE A RIPPER !!
tgr: What do you mean ?
tk : The same ansis you claimed to have drawn for FUEL, were found on a  
     SHAREWARE CD and are infact made by ACID.
tgr: Beuh..I don't know..I don't have any cd's with ansis on.
tk : no, maybe, but you DO have ANSIS from ACID of which you pretend to have
     drawn them, just by putting your own name under them, that's A DISGRACE.

(long break, tgr was speechless)

tk : I'm waiting...
tgr: For ?
tk : For an explanation, or is shutting up the same as admitting for you ?
tgr: no...I'm not saying anything...I have printed those ansis and I copied
     them, but I copied them totally. 
tk : what do you mean with that ?
tgr: Well I print them and then I draw them
tk : we've got the evidence, so ehm, if those ansis are matching 100 % then 
     you are a lyar.  
tgr: Tss, do as you wish.
tk : yes, ehm, If I were you I wouldn't mention FUEL anymore, and it speaks
     for itself that you are no longer a member. I even hope that the BSE will
     have a new president soon.... because this really is OUTRAGEOUS... Now I
     understand why your HEADER was so lame... I suppose you just can't draw
     ansis at all....
tgr: Well huh...if you say so..
tk : look, I'm giving you a fair chance to defend yourself, and contradict me,
     but you don't.... so I assume that everything I'm saying is correct ? 
tgr: Why should I contradict you, you are convinced that I can't draw, so..
tk : convinced..? It's never too late to proove the opposite..
tgr: Well, tell me how, and I'll do it.
tk : Just tell me HONESTLY, did you ripp those ansis from ACID ?
tgr: Like I said I've copied them.
tk : Then why can't you draw a decent header ?
tgr: Like I said, I can draw a header, but then it's too big.
tk : Look, I thought you were a cool guy, and a good artist (I mean that) and
     I was getting along with you very well, but you understand that RIPPING
     is out of the question.... Now I suddenly understand where those rumors
     came from that FUEL was ripping...
     If you can proove that you CAN make ansis of your own, you can stay, but
     you will have to change your handle...

(editor : ofcourse we thought he was a good artist, those ansis were fucking 
          made by ACiD, one of my personal favourite Ansi groups. But hey, you
          can't expect a guy to have seen ALL the ACiD ansis, can you ?)

tgr: Yes, how can I proove that to you when you're sitting there and I'm here ?
tk : Well ehm, I'll give you an assignment, and you draw it...
tgr: Ok.
tk : lemme think...
     Draw DeeP FreeZer...for instance, a dude that's sitting in a giganticly
     big fridge...
tgr: Ok..I'll draw that.
tk : Good, and start getting used that you better don't use the alias The Grim
     Reaper anymore, find another one, it is logic that there will be a LOT
     of reaction on this....
tgr: ok
tk : ok... when do I call you back ? (editor : to get the ansi he was going to
     draw)
tgr: I don't know, maybe next week or so.
tk : I hope you can proove it, but I doubt it. And stop drawing ACID stuff 
     (editor: or ripping) 
     bye
Sysop CHAT ended at 00:04




editor's note: I called him back the next day, on his own board. There was a
               private message to me, in which he told me to download a file 
               called OKAY.CYA
               It was an ansi file so I started to have doubts, maybe this
               dude COULD draw.. Well, just look at the following (I've saved
               it into ASCII in order for you to read it)


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Ok ge hebt uw zin...  (translation :You got what you wanted)    
                                                               
na dat klote virus is mijn BBS dus ingestort he.              
(translation : after that fucking virus my board crashed.) 
En ik RIPTE die ansis..OK..                                  
(translation : And I RIPPED those ansis..OK..)
Dus gooit mij er maar uit...u uw goesting he..              
(translation : So now throw me out...have it your way...) 
Het is uw group so do it quick and painless.               
(translation : It's your group so do it quick and painless.)
Throw me out or not.?                                     TEARS FALL
Want ik gaan nu toch mijne tijd wijden aan coden in        DOWN
(translation : Because I'm going to spend my time coding in)
TP 7.0                                                      
C++                                                          
en ik gaan MODS.XM maken                                      
(translation : and I'm going to make MODS.XM)
                                                                
Dit zijn dingen die ik ECHT graag doe...dus...
(translation : These are things I REALLY like doing...so...)
Met mods en XM kan ik redelijk goed overweg...enkel in TP en C++
(translation : I can handle mods and XM quite well...only in TP and C++)
Gaan ik nog veel moeten leren..maar het lukt mij eindelijk..
(translation : I will have to learn a lot, but it works at last...)
En ik gaan Texten schrijven..so...
(translation : And I will write Texts...so...)
I liked talking,working and having fun with yuz guyz..
But the fun is over and life goes on..
Ik hoop dat ge nu niet OVERAL gaat mijn BBS afkraken en dat gaan zeggen..
(translation : I hope you won't go tearing down my BOARD and telling 
               everybody...)
Ik heb heeeel erge spijt dat ik het deed..Maarja ik wou zo graag bij uw group
(translation :I regret veeeery much that I did it..But I wanted so desperately
              in your group) 
Maarja...Nu is het te laat he..
(translation :But now it's too late huh..)
Oki..
                                                                  
This will probely be our last words (it up to ya dude) so..      
I hope yar group becumz the greatest in this universe..         
And keep up tha work...yAr GrEAt...                            LIFE
                                                              SUCKS
CyA...and Bye Bye..................................<KLiK>    BUT GOES
                                                            ON
                                                             
                                                              
                                                               
                                                                
                                                                  




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editor : A bit mean to make this apology public ? No, I don't think so.
         It might set an example to other guys that might be tempted to
         rip somebody elses work. THINK before you do it.. EVENTUALLY YOU
         WILL GET CAUGHT ! And I can guarantee you, I wouldn't like to be
         in TGR's place. His reputation is RUINED forever, his board will 
         probably not attract many users anymore. He will have to stop his 
         activities under his name, and hope eternally when he is using his
         new alias that nobody will see through it, and discover that it 
         is actually "the ripping Grim Reaper" 
         Because if you are known ONCE as a ripper, it will not be easy to
         get rid of that past.

special note to TGR : It is only good that we discovered that you ripped those
                      ansis quite early --> think about what you could have
                      done to FUEL if we discovered it later.. YOU, and YOU
                      alone are responsible for any bad rumors there have been
                      about our group. The group you "so desperatly wanted to
                      join".  You would've killed us instead of helped us..
                      Just think about it. 


special note to ACiD : Like our president BrainBreaKer declared in another file
                       we are at your mercy. We honestly didn't know about
                       the ansis. If we had known, a local disaster could have
                       been evaded. But right now, things are rather messy in
                       our group. Belgium is a little country with not that
                       many good groups. So if there is something major like
                       this, everybody knows about it.
                       


Thanks for leeching this file and reading this text.

	   Signed, 27/05/1995
        )= The (depressed) aNSi CooRDiNaToR of FUEL: The KNiGHT	=(		



Some greets and words of comfort to some FUEL members, and greetz to others 
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- BrainBreaker      : Sorry dude, it was ME who found the guy and dragged him 
                      into our group :(
- Super Droopy      : Me ? afraid of a bit of HO ?  I was declared champion
                      in school... for best excuses when skipping "swimming"
- Ben Hurry         : I know you coded tha viewer becoz of me ;)))
- Deep Freezer      : We SURE had fun in Holland didn't we ? SURPRiiiiiiSE !
- Lord Cyrix        : SURELY you had FUN in GERMANY !?
- Venior            : Give those Natural Born dudes the msg to kill tha 
                      ripper's board. ;)
- Necrofiliac       : You're improving.. good.. cuz we're all alone now.
- Starwars          : Thx a Million for tha RAM dude, ya should've seen DFR's 
                      face.
- El Prezi          : Raving on yar girly must be fun hehehe ;)
- Rubber Duck       : 32 says enuff, right ? cooooool ;)
- The Ripper        : Change your alias, no joke ! Got enuff trouble like it is
- Electro           : Are you still alive ? Where are those great mods ?
- Genius            : Same for you, only where are the ansis ?
- Eduardo           : Cool voicecall, hope you'll stay with us.
- Byron             : I'm dying to meet you..
- Dark Wolf         : Why Dark ? Are you down ? 
- THS               : Sorry "The Holodeck Surfer" didn't fit... or does it ?
- ACe               : how much Hz do you get out of that thing you made ?
- Orgasmic Power    : my personal record is 1m20, what's yours ;)
- Sike              : very long time no see, am I still in da userbase ?
- Bad Xample        : Boooooom !
- Iron Eagle        : Nice ansi you made for Di, up it at Tha Gulf.
- Baxter            : g'luck with your exams..
- Thrasher          : why is that first "H" in your handle ? 
- 4gotten One       : Sorry dude, next time I'll great ya, if only I could 
                      remember who you are !?

